Others Corruption of Champions II [v0.7.40] [Savin/Salamander Studios]

devilaffect said:

they at least listen to the patrons

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To be fair, most of what's written is consistent with what the authors have written before and/or outright stated they enjoy writing.
It's convenient that (some) poll results align with that.

If we want to compare votes to results;
There's substantially more threesomes then male romantic partners.
There's more males then corruption

Which alright that's fine. But in addition to the snippets several pages back there's also;

But, more people voted for corruption than threesomes. But there's more threesomes than there is corruption.
But nobody wants corruption so it shouldn't be bothered with. And also it's icky. And also all those plans had to be cancelled. And they'll totally come back and backfill it. Except for the things that were cancelled wholesale. However-

devilaffect said:

They just need to have an actual argument if they want to see something changed. It took Misty months to get Steph Irson changed, but she stuck to her guns and meaningfully argued it to hell and back. I guess I just never understood screaming into the void about what you want in the game like there aren't thousands of people who probably want different things.

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This place, at one point, wasn't quite as blunt and people were quite eloquent with their grievances at one time or another. All of those early posters are gone now. The ones that replaced them are gone now too. So are the ones before them and the ones that followed. This current generation of posters HAVE articulated their points and their gripes. It's just that it never matters. Ever.

Telling them to again commit to things they've already done is a bit pointless.

• Corruption
• Heir stuff
• Futadommes
• Too many futas
• Foxes
• Kinu
• Berwyn
• Savin sucks
• Tobs sucks
• Wsan sucks
• This place sucks <-- We're here... again

However, there might be a misunderstanding.
I don't think anybody here makes their posts with the expectation that they influence the development team. People just have a good time being critical.

You've found yourself in a late stage forum where the current generation of posters have already given up. You want serious feedback? You'll have to dig backwards. Or change your approach. Right now it's more "north wind" than sun.

B-52 Stratofortress said:

Where did I lie? Where was it mentioning Will outside of a situation? Did I outright deny his ties to my statement outside of not mentioning him?

Damn, that's crazy though, stressing out staff writers by making them do their job and finish shit up that they get paid for? It's almost like that's happened in the past coincidentally from content being labelled as feature complete while they're fenced off to fill in for other shit.

I do like how you also instinctually went to bringing up Will despite my not mentioning him whatsoever. I am curious, though, where is this supposed poor content? Can any of us see it? Or is it one of the many bullshit lines that gets tossed around like the hundreds of other very well-catalogued bullshit lines shown through screenshots on this thread?

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Bringing up an event where literally only one person could be who you are alluding to is absolutely mentioning a person. You brought him up, proceeded to deny bringing it up, and tried to immediately deflect by moving the goalpost. It's the definition of bad faith. You were very obviously trying to move the discussion into the devs being bad because Will wasn't treated right.

Alterism said:

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Fair enough. I do just like arguing a bit since I used to write white papers and enjoyed the process.

devilaffect said:

my god are you always on?

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How is it moving the goalpost exactly? And once again, where is it that I lied about it being about Will whatsoever? Could it be tied to him? It could be if you reached enough. I fail to see where this is me being a bad actor by not outright mentioning someone and then saying as such. If you're just going to not answer that, then I'm going to perceive you as a BAD FAITH ACTOR.

There are a ton of other reasons as to why the devs are the shits, by the way, and I stated as such in my post that you evidently glossed over until you found some sort of ammunition in this Will hyperfocus of yours. I hardly need to mention Will or allude to his situation, as you said, to prove that as such, and neither does anyone else on this thread. I would also love to see you prove that alluding to someone is proof of outright mentioning someone in court, lol.

See the issue here? Maybe if you weren't so full of shit, you could actually look deep within yourself and answer that. But I will ask you this, seeing as you're evidently stuck on this, still replying, and in actual fact, do care about me and my supposed bad faith actor-ness. You keep saying that the Will situation went down differently and that his content was poor, so I'll ask again.

Where is this supposed poor content, and can we view it for all its poorness? Where outside of the screenshots we've already been shown by others in this forum are people wrong on this situation? How is this not seen as a failure by you on the part of the devs to actually work as a fucking team even? Is this a thing already implemented? Or is it one of those things where if you say it enough in your head, it becomes true, like so many other things that evidently go on in your niche porn game-addled head?

Better yet, are there screenshots of it? Because I'd imagine someone with such a good memory and head on their shoulders would surely have the screenshots to back up their claims, like some of the good people in this forum have done so.

devilaffect said:

But sure, I made this account years ago just so I could catfish people at this very moment for this very reason.

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Interesting you mention that. It's actually a legitimate tactic of some bot farms. They create an account and let it sit for years without any activity. But then at the crucial moment someone takes the pilot seat of that account, and starts very actively executing whatever directive they were given.
We call such accounts "canned meat" over here.

I literally bolded your allusion to him and the following passage where you denied doing so. I have no reason to believe at this point that it wasn't purposely and maliciously done as you have yet to even acknowledge that you may have done it even unintentionally. You can say you didn't all you want, but you literally used Savin's verbage when describing Sephora if you wanted more proof that you're probably being deceitful. Maybe a coincidence, but I'm doubting it at this point. Also, referencing aspects of a crime could potentially hold up in court as circumstantial evidence since it can prove you were in the vicinity of the crime.

We have a third party to verify and there was no known ulterior reason for any of FenCo to deny the only project of his that ever got denied for quality. Nonesuch also has nothing to gain from being anything but unbiased.

Will's struggles with finding motivation for writing was far from a secret and he had apology posts on his now defunct Patreon about his productivity slumps. He never really recovered from this and despite this was still being supported by the team financially.

By no means did I ever say that Will's writing on the whole was bad, but from what the team and community writers have said, his recent writing wasn't up to snuff.

It was never publicly available since Will stopped posting most of his new projects after he became a staff writer. Again, there's no reason to assume that this is at all malicious in any way. If Fen or anybody wanted him gone they could have ditched him at any time for not getting his work done.

As for your post I glossed over, it was one part shit that I have no reason to argue with, two parts random insults, the allusion in question, topped with a vague post with absolutely no details and no context because you don't feel like putting in the work to understand the situation because you have a hate boner for the devs. I covered the only part that actually mattered.

B-52 Stratofortress said:

How is this not seen as a failure by you on the part of the devs to actually work as a fucking team even? Is this a thing already implemented? Or is it one of those things where if you say it enough in your head, it becomes true, like so many other things that evidently go on in your niche porn game-addled head?

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I'm not a dev and I'm not sure what problem or issue with the game you're even referring to being fixed by working as a team. Is what implemented? Sephora? Yes. Her expansion? No. So either you are lying about how much you know about the Will situation or you know next to nothing about how it went down and still feel the need to have an opinion on it.

Also, here's your screenshots of Will's struggles with writing, you using the same phrasing as Savin (maybe you picked it up here), and Nonesuch previously working with Will to establish a previously amicable relationship.

YouShallNotLol said:

Interesting you mention that. It's actually a legitimate tactic of some bot farms. They create an account and let it sit for years without any activity. But then at the crucial moment someone takes the pilot seat of that account, and starts very actively executing whatever directive they were given.
We call such accounts "canned meat" over here.

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Stop implying what you're implying. The devs obviously don't give a shit about what happens here and I would legitimately like to actually change that. I just decided to stop being a lurker after years.

fdragonx7 said:

so uh, isnt that basically the entire story up to this point? if you gotta do palace and get to under thats all the main content i thought. though my time perception may be skewed from how fucking long it takes to get kiyoko to all 9 tails (legitimately the thing that most annoys me with doing new runs.)

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No, you're not mistaken, that's literally Almost the entire main plot we got up to this point.
Lately Savin got a boner for mating everything as linear as possible.

MarvintheBee said:

Ok can we stop this argument now?

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No. The golem has its mission, and it will keep spamming this thread with its verbose text walls, until it crumbles into dust under the weight of time.

devilaffect said:

Stop implying what you're implying. The devs obviously don't give a shit about what happens here and I would legitimately like to actually change that. I just decided to stop being a lurker after years.

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Honestly I would also love that, but I think you are like 5 years to late for this. The disdain each side has for the other is too old. I am just happy when a community shows up here and discuss their content with us. It was nice having Jstar, Knife-Wielding-Crab and Dreamer44 here.

YouShallNotLol said:

No. The golem has its mission, and it will keep spamming this thread with its verbose text walls, until it crumbles into dust under the weight of time.

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It's not verbose to actually break things down and explain them instead of vague posting on broad topics. I am done for the night though.

MarvintheBee said:

Honestly I would also love that, but I think you are like 5 years to late for this. The disdain each side has for the other is too old. I am just happy when a community shows up here and discuss their content with us. It was nice having Jstar, Knife-Wielding-Crab and Dreamer44 here.

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You're probably right, but I would still like to try.

I wish they stopped tying Winter Wolf into other quests. Tollus could've fucked around with Ahmri and you on the dark horse (heh) path without you going through Gweyr's drama.

devilaffect said:

I'm really failing to understand the point you were trying to make here

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The point being that long standing companions have gone years without substantial updates to them, some worse than others, so acting like adding an arbitrary deadline is anywhere near necessary is laughable to me. Just because they spit out throwaway content often, does not make it good. I don't mind going without these trash updates to focus more on something I would bother saving after finishing.

devilaffect said:

It's not verbose to actually break things down and explain them instead of vague posting on broad topics. I am done for the night though.

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We've already had almost 2 THOUSANDS of pages in this thread for all of that. I have nothing but spite left for this project.
If you want, you can dig up my old replies from this very thread, where I was more elaborate and not as spiteful.

devilaffect said:

I don't doubt that, but there's almost 2000 pages on this forums alone. It would be tedious at the very least. And the ones spewing outright lies aren't doing anybody any favors. Just because the relationship between the devs and community on this forum is rough, doesn't mean it has to stay that way.

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I can respect the attempt to bridge the gap between here the the forum but I just don't think that's really possible anymore. Maybe that's just me being a cynic but I feel both here and there are pretty set in their ways.

Yeppers34 said:

I can respect the attempt to bridge the gap between here the the forum but I just don't think that's really possible anymore. Maybe that's just me being a cynic but I feel both here and there are pretty set in their ways.

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The only difference is - people coming here from the Fenforum don't get banned by mods for having "wrong" opinion.

YouShallNotLol said:

The only difference is - people coming here from the Fenforum don't get banned by mods for having "wrong" opinion.

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I'm curious how common that is since I've never seen it happen personally. I argued with Violent_Peace for basically a whole ass year and he was always anti-dev yet never caught a ban. I have seen temp bans for people trying to make new threads for old locked arguments though.

devilaffect said:

The devs obviously don't give a shit about what happens here and I would legitimately like to actually change that.

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That's good and I commend you for that.

A good way to start is to find common ground with the people here, and one of the ways to do that is to engage with people willing to actually talk and discuss things. You've been here for a few hours now, and I think you have a pretty good idea on who's actually willing to talk or sling shit.

Walk Cycle said:

I honestly agree.
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Sorry bunny boy, your writer's gone and SavCo. is doing their annual belt tightening.

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No problem he is only be the last male party member that can't be genderbent, so he is the odd man out. Just turn him into a deadbeat dad and have him leave for some cigs, save some of his dignity before he gets completely buried in irrelevance.

MarvintheBee said:

(On that note does somebody know if we can make polls in this comment section, I for one would be really interrested in something like that.)
Anything with atleast some substance.

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Don't think that's possible. Or at least, I can't find it on mobile.

Alterism said:

But, more people voted for corruption than threesomes. But there's more threesomes than there is corruption.
But nobody wants corruption so it shouldn't be bothered with. And also it's icky. And also all those plans had to be cancelled. And they'll totally come back and backfill it. Except for the things that were cancelled wholesale. However-

This place, at one point, wasn't quite as blunt and people were quite eloquent with their grievances at one time or another. All of those early posters are gone now. The ones that replaced them are gone now too. So are the ones before them and the ones that followed. This current generation of posters HAVE articulated their points and their gripes. It's just that it never matters. Ever.

Telling them to again commit to things they've already done is a bit pointless.

• Corruption
• Heir stuff
• Futadommes
• Too many futas
• Foxes
• Kinu
• Berwyn
• Savin sucks
• Tobs sucks
• Wsan sucks
• This place sucks <-- We're here... again

However, there might be a misunderstanding.
I don't think anybody here makes their posts with the expectation that they influence the development team. People just have a good time being critical.

You've found yourself in a late stage forum where the current generation of posters have already given up. You want serious feedback? You'll have to dig backwards. Or change your approach. Right now it's more "north wind" than sun.

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Another note to keep in mind is that "writing for the patrons" when there's less of them makes you wonder what's going on.

YouShallNotLol said:

No. The golem has its mission, and it will keep spamming this thread with its verbose text walls, until it crumbles into dust under the weight of time.

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It's gonna take a while, ain't it?

Vyran22 said:

No problem he is only be the last male party member that can't be genderbent, so he is the odd man out. Just turn him into a deadbeat dad and have him leave for some cigs, save some of his dignity before he gets completely buried in irrelevance.

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...Dignity?

Can you people just stop engaging with the obvious fenfourmstroll? It's pretty blatant he's just here to farm content so he can run back to them for goodgoy points for trolling the 'f95 chuds'. Just block it.